人を殺すのが楽しい、犯罪を犯すのが楽しいという感情を前向きに促すのは僕はどうしても出来ない。
アメリカはそういうゲームに寛容だが日本は違う。そこは日本が誇っていい事。
SEGA's Nagoshi
"I personally don't think that I can, and will be able to, take the enjoyment of 'killing' and 'committing crimes' positively. America is pretty open-minded with those kinds of games, but that's not the case in Japan. This is something Japan should be proud of."
I haven't played the Ryu ga Gotoku series (Yakuza) but isn't that game the same?
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pM-1JqdyTeu7OEmNPk5zDfiXlChZgPD2RKDOSMq0SMIEDQjIDbxWdURZmuzDNK-FxrKr9qxSFUoUSPvXaJS7xEw/%E9%BE%8D%E3%81%8C%E5%A6%82%E3%81%8F%20(3).jpg
- 46： フルネルソンスープレックス(やわらか銀行):2013/10/23(水) 23:06:27.47 ID:TAUuIoHv0
- >>2現役のヤクザじゃないんだと引退したヤクザだからいいんだそうだ。今後もヤクザを主人公にする事はないと言ってたw
That's not about an active yakuza but a retired one, and that's why they say that it's fine. He said that he won't be making a yakuza the main character of a game moving forward. w
- 79： アイアンクロー(関西・北陸):2013/10/23(水) 23:14:11.21 ID:/6Nr7Ef1O
- >>2あれは男の美徳だから違う
理由なく人殺してる訳じゃない
That one's different since that's like showing a "man's virtue."
It's not like he's killing people without any reason.
If you think that way then that must be the case. At least for you.
ていうかね、変にヤクザを美化してるような感じのゲームより
犯罪者丸出しの主人公GTAのほうがいいだろ
But compared to Ryu ga Gotoku, GTA5 where you set out to kill the criminals is much more fun.
Rather, it's better to have games where you're an obvious criminal like GTA instead of trying to glorify the yakuzas.
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Kbw_cUWXG-U/maxresdefault.jpg
- 32 ：ヒップアタック(大阪府)：2013/10/23(水) 23:03:24.78 ID:3S7to2ib0
- >>7龍が如くもヤクザは基本悪もんだし、そういう世界で懸命に生きてる桐生って感じもするからいいんだがが・・・・最後はヤクザの仁義()になっちゃうな。
Ryu ga Gotoku's yakuza are basically evil too, but what's good about that game is how Kiryu is desperately trying to surive in that sort of world... But in the end, it's still about the so called honor of yakuzas.
Yakuza only kills the bad so it's allowed.
But Japan is open-minded when it comes to ero games
http://www.bitterdrop.jp/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/MK%E5%BA%97%E5%86%85.jpg
In Ryu ga Gotoku, the character obviously kills other people. But this person doesn't like killing, huh.
- 17 ：ボ ラギノール(静岡県)：2013/10/23(水) 23:00:14.30 ID:ja2tmmRZ0
- >>125からナイフで刺したあとにグリグリするようになったよね
死なないのはおかしい
They started putting those grinding animations after stabbing the opponent with the knife from Ryu ga Gotoku 5 onwards. It'd be strange if the enemies don't die with that.
人殺しまくるようなゲームこそ本当のエンターテイメント
Huge mistake.
Games where you kill people are what entertainment is all about.
But you keep on killing others in RPGs!
http://www.gamedeta.com/dqIX_battle_2.png
- 300 ：ニールキック(埼玉県)：2013/10/24(木) 04:19:02.80 ID:Ue8Fi6NV0
- >>21討伐対象はモンスターやん!?
Uhh, slaying monsters!?
But all games have been about killing enemies since like, forever
http://www.2d-x.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/contra2.jpg
And this is precisely why you can't make good FPS games
So it's fine if you just kill demons?
What about the musou series, you keep on killing hoards of people in those games
http://blog-imgs-50-origin.fc2.com/m/a/r/marunao2/20121101102136ee0.jpg
You get to kill and kill in the latest installment of the Ryu ga Gotoku series
Are you saying that Japan can be proud of Ryu ga Gotoku where the yakuza are being portrayed as something like an "evil force that's necessary"?
- 41 ：ヒップアタック(大阪府)：2013/10/23(水) 23:05:04.68 ID:3S7to2ib0
- >>31ヤクザの仁義はあるが、必要悪って何？マフィアや近江連合から町守ってるってこと？
Yakuzas have their honor system, but what do you mean by "evil that's necessary"? You mean protecting the town from the mafia and the Omi Rengo?
龍が如くなんて、実際にやったら死ぬようなこと平気でやってるけど死んでない体になってるじゃん
そういうごまかしが通じるというか、暴力にしろ何にしろちゃんと目を向けないのが日本なんだよなあ
Maybe he doesn't have any sense of reality when it comes to violence.
Take Ryu ga Gotoku for example, they've got bodies that don't die even if you do things that will normally kill a person. Things like that where those kinds of excuses work, and where people don't properly take a look at violence is how Japan is.
勧善懲悪に反するゲームは作らないほうがいいみたいな雰囲気が一度できちゃうと、本当にタブーになっちゃうのが日本だもの
I don't think I can agree with this.
Japan's the type of country that will really ban those types of games once you establish this atmosphere where youmshouldn't make games that oppose the idea of poetic justice.
But our games are filled with lolis and rape w
http://blog-imgs-56-origin.fc2.com/s/a/g/sagaruotoko/20130507230414255.jpg
銃で足撃つと倒れこんで足抱えて痛がったりしてる間に近づいて頭撃ってとどめさしたり出来たものなのに
In the first Medal of Honor game, you were able to shoot at the leg and make the enemy cringe in pain, then approach the enemy and shoot at the head to finish him off
But rape plays don't kill people so it's pretty peaceful
エゴエゴアンドエゴだな
So you're fine with killing monsters?
That's nothing but ego, ego, and ego if you ask me.
なんだよこれ
I would love to point out a lot of things about what he said, but I'd rather say stuff at the picture.
What the heck is this?
And this is why Japan's no good because it once again immediately shuts its door on other possibilities.
Yeah, yeah, all you can do are crappy games when compared to Western games so stop acting strong.
エロには寛容だが残虐行為には超厳しい日本
なぜなのか
Abroad, they're open-minded when it comes to brutality but are very strict with eroticism.
In Japan, we're open-minded when it comes to eroticism, but very strict on brutality.
Why is that?
I just shot countless zombies, only used a knife to hurt them, and then cheekily blasted them to oblivion using a gas cylinder
http://www.4gamer.net/games/115/G011525/20100916035/SS/004.jpg
I'm grossed out by North American games since there are scenes where you cut their throats with knives like it's nothing
http://egamer.co.za/wp-content/gallery/19-february-2013-preview-sniper-ghost-warrior-2/throat-knife-sniper-ghost-warrior-2-preview.jpg
だから善悪二元論でしかストーリー作れないんだよ
モダンウォーフェア２のシェパード将軍やスカイリムのウルフリックみたいなキャラは絶対構築できない
それを組み込んだストーリーもな
It's just that Japanese creators don't know how to express realism.
That's why they can only make stories 2-dimensionally, with just good vs. evil.
They'll never be able to create characters like Lt. Gen. Shepherd of Modern Warfare 2 and Ulfric of Skyrim along with the story that comes with those characters.
「人殺しを楽しむ」がメインのゲームなんて流行ったことないだろ
The act of "killing" is just the by-product of trying to go for realism.
There are no games that have the main theme of "enjoying the act of killing people" that have become popular.
Didn't SEGA come out with Golden Axe where you just kept on killing everything?
http://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/a5/4e/musyaavesta/folder/1245225/img_1245225_10712241_0
あれってあまりにも必要以上に敵を痛めつけすぎじゃね?
あそこまでいくと暴力を娯楽として描いてるとしか思えないんだけど
From Ryu ga Gotoku 4 onwards, you have this move where you can shove the enemy's face on the ground and rub it, but isn't that just unnecessary violence towards the enemy? When it comes to that point, all I can think about is that these developers just finding enjoyment in violence.
I like the Ryu ga Gotoku series, but I don't think it has sincerely faced the act of violence head on
事故った肉体をﾄﾞｱｯﾌﾟでﾘｱﾙに再現しないとな
車で事故ったら
ﾘｾｯﾄできないぐらいこんなひどいことになるんですよと
Even in driving games, when you meet an accident, they should show the bodies realistically and show close ups of the aftermath.
This is in order to show everyone that "this is how horrible things can become in real life where there are no resets, when you get into an accident".
- 100 ：グロリア(宮城県)：2013/10/23(水) 23:21:50.27 ID:6Gffvth20
- >>94車が凹んだりするとメーカーから苦情が来たりすんやろか？
But won't the car makers start sending in complaints if their vehicles are getting smashed in the process?
たとえるならWiiみたいなもんだな
あんなもんすぐ飽きる
I played GTA, for a bit but I got tired of it pretty quick.
If I were to compare it to something, it was like Wii.
It's something that wears out its novelty pretty fast.
Japanese people get turned off by how bodies get cut in half in those Western games
http://www.captainwilliams.co.uk/sega/megadrive/images/mk2fatalities.png
Doko demo issho is probably the only game where no one dies, right?
http://www.jp.playstation.com/dokodemoissyo/8tnu010000021j6w-img/8tnu010000021j76.png
Japanese games are so hypocritical and gross!
単純に聞きたい
I'm not into military stuff, but FPS players, what's so fun about those games? That's just me asking.
面白いゲームがやりたいだけなんだよ。
ＧＴＡとかやってみろよ。
「人殺しを楽しませる」ってことだけじゃなくて、細部まで作り込んでて、ユーザーを楽しませようとするスタッフの気合いが伝わってくるわ。
I'm not playing GTA or FPS games just because I want to kill someone.
I just want to play games that are fun.
Try playing GTA.
Not just the part where you "enjoy the act of killing people", but it's done in such fine detail that you can honestly feel the intentions of the staff and the developers that they really want to make the users have an enjoyable experience.
CS系が10年以上現役なのはFPSが一切進歩してないからだと思うわ
I'm actually sick of FPS games.
The reason why CS-type games are still around after 10 years or so is because FPS games have made zero progress.
くたばれ低能和ゲーメーカー
How dare you say that after plagiarizing their games, you jerk!
Go to hell, you unintelligent game maker!
テメーのご自慢のゲームじゃ普通にナイフやら拳銃やらで攻撃する癖に
設定上死んでないことにすればOKだってか？
そんなんだからテメーらのやってることは馬鹿にされる
The adjective 'whitewashing' fits this guy's statement perfectly.
To think that the game that you're oh-so-proud of even uses knives and guns to attack, but all is well as long as the enemy doesn't "die"?
And this is precisely why people are looking down on you.
ぱちんこ
Sega even makes games that contributes to real life murder, right?
i.e. Pachinko
取って当然、死んで当然で進む
Japanese games make you think that stealing and killing aren't crimes.
It's like stealing and dying are just natural courses in life.
ゲーム業界に規制の流れが来る
I'd prefer it if he doesn't say things like this too much.
This'll just bring in waves of restrictions on video games.
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